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Lottery ?

Postby ezduzit » Sun May 19, 2013 8:56 am

A single winner of the 5.9 million dollar Power Ball Lottery !
I don`t buy tickets but do you think it is ok for Christians to take part in the lottery?

A couple of verses....................
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Jonah 1:7 And they said every one to his fellow, Come, and let us cast lots, that we may know for whose cause this evil is upon us. So they cast lots, and the lot fell upon Jonah.

Proverbs 16:33 The lot is cast into the lap; but the whole disposing thereof is of the LORD.

Acts 1:26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

Acts 13:19 And when he had destroyed seven nations in the land of Chanaan, he divided their land to them by lot.
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Re: Lottery ?

Postby JimShedd112 » Sun May 19, 2013 9:00 am

Yes I do, as long as they provide for their families' needs first. Lotteries, after all, are legal and sanctioned by the governments which operate them.

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Re: Lottery ?

Postby bn2bnude » Sun May 19, 2013 9:13 am

ezduzit wrote:A single winner of the 5.9 million dollar Power Ball Lottery !
I don`t buy tickets but do you think it is ok for Christians to take part in the lottery?

A couple of verses....................
Ez

Jonah 1:7 And they said every one to his fellow, Come, and let us cast lots, that we may know for whose cause this evil is upon us. So they cast lots, and the lot fell upon Jonah.

Proverbs 16:33 The lot is cast into the lap; but the whole disposing thereof is of the LORD.

Acts 1:26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

Acts 13:19 And when he had destroyed seven nations in the land of Chanaan, he divided their land to them by lot.


I think it is OK as well. I don't do it often as I don't consider it gambling but consider it voluntary taxes and I am not real fond of paying taxes.

I don't consider, however, casting lots as equivalent to playing the lottery or any gambling in general. Why? Because in the ancient times, casting lots was one way people communicated with God. The lottery and other gambling is entertainment (and more often than not) a waste of money.
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Re: Lottery ?

Postby chnokie » Sun May 19, 2013 10:55 pm

Each person must do as he believes in God -- perhaps much in the same way that a person can or cannot eat meat based on his own convictions. However, I believe any part of gambling may cause a weaker brother to fall into sin if he observes my doing it, and I would not like to be guilty of causing him to do so.

As for me, I take my cue from 1 Timothy 6:6-10 -- "But godliness with contentment is great gain. For we brought nothing into the world, and we can take nothing out of it. But is we have food and clothing, we will be content with that. People who want to get rich fall into temptation and a trap and into many foolish and harmful desires that plunge men into ruin and destruction. For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs."

I tend to believe that many people who play the lottery or other "get rich" promotions, e.g., Publishers Clearing House and formerly Readers Digest, basically would like to be rich and be able to rise above their perceived poverty. In other words, they are not content with their current lifestyle. I have even in the past used the excuse, "it sure would be nice to have more money to give to God's work." But I think that is an excuse for my wanting to be richer. Thus, I have chosen to give it up. I cannot say that every believer who participates in lotteries or "get rich" promotions has the same view as I have, but it might be worth considering.

I also often feel sad for those who win such large sums of money, because in so many cases in the past the lives of such people have become nightmares. I have read stories to this effect, though I cannot say whether there is any proven research on it. However, winners of big sums usually have people/friends/relatives come out of the woodwork wanting to beg or borrow from them. They become plagued with the requests. In other cases, in a few years they no longer have anything to show for how they spent all that money, and may once again end up in poverty. I believe there are stories of such things happening, or so I've read in the past.

If for some reason, God chose to bless me with a big windfall, as in the case of millions of dollars, I think I would first of all put it into a trust, and ask some trusted brothers and sisters to help me be accountable to God for how it is to be spent. Personally, I have very little, but I also have no desire to spend such sums on myself. I am very much kingdom oriented in the way I look at these matters.
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Re: Lottery ?

Postby prairieboy » Sun May 19, 2013 11:56 pm

When my faith in God is weak, when I have little hope, I buy lottery tickets. Is it wrong? The lack of faith is what is wrong, the lottery tickets are a symptom of the problem, not the problem itself.
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Re: Lottery ?

Postby Ramblinman » Mon May 20, 2013 10:45 am

Your instinct to do something in times of crisis is a good one.
Doing nothing is not the alternative to buying a lottery ticket.
Instead, channel that energy into prayer,
then take action as soon as you hear God's direction. (ahem, that action would not be buying a lottery ticket). I am not saying it is necessarily a sin, but arguably not the best use of your money.

If you are worried about money:
As the Lord leads, work harder, work smarter and make more!
It may be that you already make enough and have a contentment problem.
If you need a job, of course you pray about it, but often the Lord works within the Christian community.
Take your burdens to a brother in Christ worthy of your trust;
maybe even meet with pastor and deacons to let them know you are struggling.

What to do with your "ticket money"
A local Christian children's home is hurting for money.
Donate to them and see your money at work in God's service.
Help your church pay off its debt.
There may be a genuine need for recreation in your life.
God does not condemn that if it is part of a life well-lived and full of service to HIS cause.
But would you get more recreation for the dollar at the bowling alley? at a miniature golf venue?
Taking the family to one extra trip a year to a special resort or campground?
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Re: Lottery ?

Postby ezduzit » Mon May 20, 2013 12:02 pm

Ramblinman wrote:Your instinct to do something in times of crisis is a good one.
Doing nothing is not the alternative to buying a lottery ticket.
Instead, channel that energy into prayer,
then take action as soon as you hear God's direction. (ahem, that action would not be buying a lottery ticket). I am not saying it is necessarily a sin, but arguably not the best use of your money.

If you are worried about money:
As the Lord leads, work harder, work smarter and make more!
It may be that you already make enough and have a contentment problem.
If you need a job, of course you pray about it, but often the Lord works within the Christian community.
Take your burdens to a brother in Christ worthy of your trust;
maybe even meet with pastor and deacons to let them know you are struggling.

What to do with your "ticket money"
A local Christian children's home is hurting for money.
Donate to them and see your money at work in God's service.
Help your church pay off its debt.
There may be a genuine need for recreation in your life.
God does not condemn that if it is part of a life well-lived and full of service to HIS cause.
But would you get more recreation for the dollar at the bowling alley? at a miniature golf venue?
Taking the family to one extra trip a year to a special resort or campground?



Good post ! :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin: :biggrin:
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Re: Lottery ?

Postby Ramblinman » Mon May 20, 2013 1:14 pm

But one of the funniest moments in my life came in a casino...

I was standing over my boss's shoulder watching him lose a week's pay in 30 seconds flat!
That was hilarious and didn't cost me a dime.
(I was polite enough not to laugh in his face).
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Re: Lottery ?

Postby Bare_Truth » Mon May 20, 2013 11:50 pm

Well since playing the lottery is a worldly pursuit I would suggest that instead that they spend their money on a course on statistics and probability, ....... they obviously need one. :wink: Spending some time meditating on the matter of seeking to get something for virtually nothing would be good on the spiritual side of things.
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Re: Lottery ?

Postby bn2bnude » Tue May 21, 2013 2:17 am

Bare_Truth wrote:Well since playing the lottery is a worldly pursuit I would suggest that instead that they spend their money on a course on statistics and probability, ....... they obviously need one. :wink: Spending some time meditating on the matter of seeking to get something for virtually nothing would be good on the spiritual side of things.


I would argue it's only a worldly pursuit if that is how you intend to use it that way.
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Re: Lottery ?

Postby Bare_Truth » Tue May 21, 2013 7:35 am

bn2bnude wrote:I would argue it's only a worldly pursuit if that is how you intend to use it that way.
What other way is there for that which you have received through a game which deprives many others of much so that you might have some???
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Re: Lottery ?

Postby natman » Tue May 21, 2013 7:46 am

I do not think that it is a sin to gamble as long as it is mere recreation and does not impact our ability to take care of our families and to minister to the needs of others and the Church.

However, I typically do not support lotteries or casinos because of the way they are presented to the community and because of the negative affects they tend to have after implementation. Most lotteries are presented to states as a means of increasing revenues for one particular sector of the government, usually schools. However, I have seen it happen over and over again where a lottery is introduced and does well for the first few years. The school budget coffers fill up quickly and the schools adjust their annual budgets appropriately. The the state realizes the surplus and adjusts it's budget, shifting moneys into other programs. About that time, the thrill of the lottery has settled down and revenues drop dramatically. Then the schools are left with less money than they started out with.

Casinos are another story. Wherever casinos have gone in, there is an increase of revenue to the local government. However, there is also an increase in crime, prostitution and destitution by those who can't control their urge to play one more hand or pull one more lever. The net result is that the financial and social burden on society is greater than the gain.
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Re: Lottery ?

Postby bn2bnude » Tue May 21, 2013 8:22 am

Bare_Truth wrote:
bn2bnude wrote:I would argue it's only a worldly pursuit if that is how you intend to use it that way.
What other way is there for that which you have received through a game which deprives many others of much so that you might have some???


What if the money won, or at least the majority of the money won, were used for God's glory rather than personal gain?
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Re: Lottery ?

Postby Bare_Truth » Tue May 21, 2013 10:24 am

bn2bnude wrote: ..... What if the money won, or at least the majority of the money won, were used for God's glory rather than personal gain?
What if I hold up a bank for $100,000, keep only $10,000, and give the other $90,000 to the work of God??? An ill gotten gain is not suitable for giving to God.

Deut 23:
18 Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog*, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

*3611 keleb keh'-leb from an unused root means. to yelp, or else to attack; a dog; hence (by euphemism) a male prostitute:--dog.

I cannot see the lottery, which draws great sums from the financially hard pressed with a false hope of riches, to enrich one or a few particular winners, as other that a great evil. Curiously such winnings often bring destruction to the lives of the winners.

There is some validity to the view that the lottery is better than Casinos, but a lesser evil is an evil nevertheless. I find no way, that in faith, that I could engage in seeking fortune in the lottery or in any way promoting it. I wonder about those that do but I really have to wonder about their mathematical acumen.
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Re: Lottery ?

Postby JimShedd112 » Tue May 21, 2013 11:51 am

I wonder, Natman and Bare_Truth, have either of you actually ever set foot inside a casino? I work in one on the Las Vegas Strip and have for nearly 20 years now, after a lifetime of believing gambling was bad. But, it's simply another form of entertainment. Casinos are highly regulated, particularly in Nevada, where prostitution is also legal in rural counties, based upon population size. Prostitution is illegal in Clark County (Southern Nevada and the home of Las Vegas) and up north where Reno is located.

Even simple, wholesome nudity is illegal within our casinos, based upon laws written to prevent the practice. Yes, gambling, drinking, smoking, etc are allowed but prostitution is not legal here and would not be due to the presence of gaming (gambling).

People who participate in any activities must accept personal responsibility for their actionsa and behaviors.

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