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Re: Nude Swim at School and YMCA - Yesteryear

Postby New_Adventurer » Sun Jul 07, 2013 3:28 am

When I was in school, between junior high in 1963 through the second year of college in 1969, PE was a required course and everyone took a gang shower and did not think any thing about it. The coach just said we all look alike and it is no big deal. My sister is three years younger and she said they did the same thing.


On rain days the girls and boys had a joint PE class in the gym, usually something tame like volleyball, and then went to different locker rooms.



Presently I am a member of the local 24-Hour Fitness club and use the locker room there after soaking in the hot tub. It is amazing how many guys go through so many antics to avoid being seen. In the hot tub there are many middle-eastern women who are in the water and still fully dressed. Because their clothes are wet it is easy to see they are still in normal underwear. It strikes me as being rather sad.
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Re: Nude Swim at School and YMCA - Yesteryear

Postby JimShedd112 » Sun Jul 07, 2013 9:07 am

I too grew up taking PE classes in junior high, high school, community college. Then I joined the military, all with gang showers. Nudity was commonly accepted and I don't think I ever remember any of the boys, and later men, skipping the showers to go directly back into their "street clothes" or uniforms for the rest of the day. It was just accepted we were all naked and no one seemed to be singled out for ridicule or special attention beyond the occasional towel snap across a naked but.

I never belonged to a YMCA and never even visited one until in my teens when I visited once or twice while visiting a cousin in another city. I was a non-swimmer at the time and so never entered the pool area. Also never skinnydipped with my dad, brother, or other boys but sure wish I had.

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Re: Nude Swim at School and YMCA - Yesteryear

Postby Petros » Sun Jul 07, 2013 11:41 am

The out of school incident happened as I was heading home from one of my nude rambles - not I think causally linked, ,it was well away from my carefully selected rambling grounds. It did not impact my rambling, other than to make me somewhat more alert and cautious in transit.

Nor do I think her experience impacted my sister. Though we have never discussed attitudes to nudity [NOT a communicative family] the topless photo of her on the wall of the room I stayed in at her place suggests her attitude is freer than my other sister, who appears to loathe the idea with no known provocation.

Which does not alter my agreement on the role and motives of the enemy. The simple instilling nameless dread and suspicion is a triumph, too little too late, of course.
The truth, the stark naked truth, the truth without so much as a loincloth on, should surely be the investigator's sole aim - Basil Chamberlain
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Re: Nude Swim at School and YMCA - Yesteryear

Postby jochanaan » Mon Jul 08, 2013 9:33 pm

Petros wrote:...Which does not alter my agreement on the role and motives of the enemy. The simple instilling nameless dread and suspicion is a triumph, too little too late, of course.
"So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself—nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance." --Do I really need to give the reference among such learned folk as ourselves? :)
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Re: Nude Swim at School and YMCA - Yesteryear

Postby Petros » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:44 am

Can't be Shakespeare - it does not scan however hard I try. The Maharishi?

Actually, I THINK I read somewhere that FDR cribbed it - we can hope it was in the public domain.
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Re: Nude Swim at School and YMCA - Yesteryear

Postby Petros » Tue Jul 09, 2013 12:46 am

St Anthony's responce to the menacing demons his first night in the tomb is instructive - roughly [I do not have access to the Coptic] "If you can actually hurt me go ahead."
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Re: Nude Swim at School and YMCA - Yesteryear

Postby Ramblinman » Tue Jul 09, 2013 9:25 am

Nudists band together for strength in numbers.
The danger is not in nudity, but being caught alone (nude or clothed) with no friends around to come to your aid.
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locusts have no king, yet they advance together in ranks; Proverbs 30:27 (one of the four "wise" creatures)
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Re: Nude Swim at School and YMCA - Yesteryear

Postby Petros » Tue Jul 09, 2013 3:58 pm

Hard to say.

Since you were responding to mhy account, I ought to say that I did not get as far as disgusted - puzzled, invaded, threatened, yes. Did not have the data to understand and be disgusted.

Think Gollum [currently rerreading Lord of the Rings]. Is the PRIMARY reaction [pause - why would the film version bother with a loincloth, save for the audience / censor sensibilities?] to Gollum fear / pity / disgust / there but for the Grace?
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Re: Nude Swim at School and YMCA - Yesteryear

Postby MoNatureMan » Tue Jul 09, 2013 5:54 pm

The perverts don't care if we are nude or clothed.
I was outside the YMCA waiting to be picked up by by brother (I was too young to drive at that time) and some pervert (pedophile) walked up and asked if I wanted to knock rods.
That creep just wanted a young boy to teach about homosexuality.
All I did was tell him to 'get out of here'. Maybe I should have told my 2 older brothers about it. That creep may have had an accident. That may sound unchristian, but these creeps are out there attempting to defile our young people and our society today thinks nothing of it.
No the truth is not politically correct.

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Re: Nude Swim at School and YMCA - Yesteryear

Postby Petros » Wed Jul 10, 2013 12:41 am

"The perverts don't care if we are nude or clothed."

that is true enough - I was early in my college days, cycling through the ark minding me own business and [at that time and place] clothed appropriately for the season and setting. Guy in a car - from all appearances within 5 years of my then age - calls me over to ask the time. I ride over to enlighten him, observing through the window [as per his plan] that he was without nether garments [can't speak to shoon and socks].

No fear in that case - too public, for one thing. One does wonder at the daring in a place not then all that open to such behaviours.

I have had a few friends, acquaintances, one relative of that ilk. No problems or propositions from them. Quite a few that some would suspect - I avoid going there, given how many people have suspected it in me.

Which last I fear is an undesirable byproduct of the attitude very poorly named "homophobia" - which if you read it properly as all Greek would mean "fear of the same thing" [Antoinette and I are homophobic, we are both afraid of spiders], or if you allow it to be a Latng / Greek hybrid would translate "fear of human beings" [I once had a cat that was homophobic, but eventually he learned that peoplde were his friends].

Passing lightly over a linguist's pickiness [I am the son of two Classicists] - if people assessed others on the basis of what they do instead of who they are, instead of Green Monkeying everyone slightly different, nobody would ever have assumed I was "one of them".
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Re: Nude Swim at School and YMCA - Yesteryear

Postby Jon-Marc » Sat Jul 13, 2013 4:51 pm

All through school, from 1951-1965, we had gym class and mandatory showers. The worst thing anyone ever did in the shower room was slap another boy on the butt with a towel. Otherwise, nudity was normal and accepted. Children today are being taught that nudity is gross, not normal, offensive, and not acceptable. With all the pedophile scares, I believe that showers in schools has or has nearly become a thing of the past.
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Re: Nude Swim at School and YMCA - Yesteryear

Postby MoNatureMan » Mon Dec 05, 2016 2:16 am

Just found this 3 part series that speaks of naked swimming in American schools on YouTube
Part 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGt_HUSSyQQ
Part 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eznEFMp6odU
Part 3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNxNnywZ3tU

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Re: Nude Swim at School and YMCA - Yesteryear

Postby DaveT » Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:45 pm

Interesting how the increase of the consciousness of sinful practices, along with the development of better water sanitation, led to the demise of innocent nudity. As for the reluctance of boys to be seen nude, if they were pushed into it, along with their associates not ridiculing them, they would have quickly gotten used to it so it'd be no big deal. Which would have actually been a good thing. Because once nudity becomes a forbidden thing, then pornography becomes attractive. The rise of homosexuality and the decline of common nude social events seems to have gone together.

It also brings out the tradition of women being expected to be body self conscious more than men. Is that related to the current case of more men attending naturist places than women?
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Re: Nude Swim at School and YMCA - Yesteryear

Postby Ramblinman » Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:18 am

DaveT wrote:Interesting how the increase of the consciousness of sinful practices, along with the development of better water sanitation, led to the demise of innocent nudity. As for the reluctance of boys to be seen nude, if they were pushed into it, along with their associates not ridiculing them, they would have quickly gotten used to it so it'd be no big deal. Which would have actually been a good thing. Because once nudity becomes a forbidden thing, then pornography becomes attractive. The rise of homosexuality and the decline of common nude social events seems to have gone together.

It also brings out the tradition of women being expected to be body self conscious more than men. Is that related to the current case of more men attending naturist places than women?

Dave, I gotta agree with all you said.
We live in an age where parents demand that their children be pulled out of life experiences that challenge them to greater confidence.
For all the talk of pool filters, the unspoken wisdom was that boys are toughened by exposure to the elements and frankly by social nudity, at least with other boys.
We have seen among nudists that girls also benefit from social nudity, among girls of course, but yes, that also means naked boys and naked girls playing together under adult supervision.
The benefits are several: confidence, taking away the mystery and preventing prurient interest in hidden body parts from emerging in the first place.
The young are curious. Let's satisfy that curiosity in healthy ways.
Our nude bodies are beautiful; appreciation of that beauty should be joyful and reverent, not perverted.
With the right guidance, mutual respect comes out of this.
And nudity in a warm room or a warm day is more comfortable. We enjoy 100% contact with nature, no clothes to dull or lessen the experience.

In centuries past, children played naked with no stigma. In a few corners of the world they still do.
And peasants and farm folk of generations past swam and bathed nude in the summer. It was not sexual, even when men and women shared the waters.
Families stood by one another to make sure no one was insulted or harmed, just as naturists still do today.

I thank God that I had a bit of nudity in church camp and scouts, but nudist kids get a much more effective upbringing.
Our society missed a big opportunity by not taking nude swims coed instead of banning nudity for all.
Nudists and naturists are the last people in America to enjoy what was once our common human experience in the old world.

Dave, to answer your question, women are too often taught to judge themselves harshly on appearance, more so than men.
On textile beaches, young women are often nearly naked, to the point of baring much of their buttocks and breasts and that does take a bit of confidence.
But why not shed that last few square inches of fabric covering nipples and vulva?
There is no denying that these are parts of the body regarded as private when it comes to touch, but why must they be unseen?
I see lips all the time, but I wouldn't dare kiss a woman on the lips without permission and am averse to doing so in public with permission.
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Re: Nude Swim at School and YMCA - Yesteryear

Postby Ramblinman » Wed Dec 07, 2016 11:22 am

And yet another mystery addressed in the videos: the coverup!
Not just the coverup of bodies, but the coverup of the knowledge of nudity just a generation ago, all so conveniently swept under the rug.
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