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Re: Roe v Wade or Christian

Postby MoNatureMan » Sat Jan 16, 2016 11:36 pm

I and others will be passing this article out at church tomorrow morning.
The call for repentance on one side and the promise of forgiveness on the other.
Pray for out endeavor.

We are in this world, but are not to be part of this world.
O how easy it is to forget that. How often and easy it is to follow the world instead of being a light to the world, pointing them to Jesus Christ. How easy it is to accept the ways of sinful man, instead of the cross.

I wish to say more, but my heart is too heavy with this National Sin of Abortion that continues to go on in America. And I wonder how long o God will you allow this to go on?

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Re: Roe v Wade or Christian

Postby MoNatureMan » Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:37 pm

Here it is today. Forty-Three years ago 5 evil men (some are burning in hell today), knowing it was against God’s and natural law, made the murder of unborn, and partially born children ‘legal’.
Now it is about 60 million babies murdered and countless women butchered and traumatized for the rest of their life, where are we.
- Telling a lie, people claim abortion is a political issue. Abortion is a moral issue and clearly against God’s and natural law.
- People that claim to be Christian, support the murder of the unborn. Continually supporting any ungodly sin is incomparable with being a Christian. I call to them to repent and turn to God for forgiveness. Neither political party, labor union, nationality, or denomination will get anyone into Heaven. Only by repentance from sin and forgiveness in Jesus Christ is Heaven available to any of us.
- In Nazi Germany trains full of screaming Jews (on the way to death camps) would go by churches full of ‘Christians (?)’. In the churches they would sing louder, so they would not hear or think about the people being murdered. Abortion in America is here today because the American church sings it songs and ignores the silent screams of babies being slaughtered by abortion.

How long before the anti-God America and the unrepentant church is judged by God? I don’t know, but judgement is at the door, and I call upon all True Christians to pray for this nation and the souls that might be saved.

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Re: Roe v Wade or Christian

Postby jochanaan » Fri Jan 22, 2016 11:52 pm

It comes down to this: Is a fetus in the womb a human life? If it isn't, abortion is not murder; if it is, then it is.

But we're preaching to the choir. Somehow the conversation "out there" has to be changed. And we must also, if we claim to care about human life, make every effort to ensure that both parents and child have the care and support they need to grow as a family, honoring the choice for life that they made, without holding past sins against them.
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Re: Roe v Wade or Christian

Postby MoNatureMan » Sat Jan 23, 2016 11:51 am

Is the unborn human? The Holy Scriptures, science and logic all clearly say yes. Only evil leaders (general term) and their followers claim the unborn is not human.
Maybe I misunderstood the comment 'Support their decision for life'. But the church needs to follow Scripture and stand against abortion. It is murder. Yes there is forgiveness in repentance with Christ, but to support the decision to murder the unborn is not a Scriptural or Christian option.
As has been said earlier, if the unborn is not human, what about the disabled, or retarted, or anybody over the age of 80, or 70, or of a different race. If it is legal to murder the unborn because some people claim they are not human, what about any other undesired group?
The legalized abortion laws in the United States are following the devil's morality and murdering the unborn. We are legislating the wrong morality.

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Re: Roe v Wade or Christian

Postby Petros » Sat Jan 23, 2016 12:24 pm

Are Andaman Islanders human? Are Buddhists human? Is a Frenchman human? Is Eric incapacitated in the nursing home human? Was Carol L human? Nixon?

The thing is, "human" turns into the object of attitudes and legal definitions; the Canine Companion may be defined as more human than an accused pedophile.

Unless "thy brother as thyself" applies - we know if we are attuned where our brother is. Man Law will never get it right.
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Re: Roe v Wade or Christian

Postby jochanaan » Sat Jan 23, 2016 12:37 pm

MoNatureMan wrote:...Maybe I misunderstood the comment 'Support their decision for life'...
I was referring to individual parents who decide to honor the new life in her womb rather than destroying it. :) Of course I believe that it is a human life from conception. As we say, logic, reason, and our emotions combine to this unescapable conclusion.
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Re: Roe v Wade or Christian

Postby Petros » Sat Jan 23, 2016 3:09 pm

"Thou shalt not kill" is VERY basic. This is why we put so much into defining A as not human and B not human yet and C no longer human. Much easier to kill an animal or cut down a vegetable or scrape away a hangnail than to admit "I want / need to kill this person."
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Re: Roe v Wade or Christian

Postby Ramblinman » Sun Jan 24, 2016 12:01 am

Petros wrote:Are Andaman Islanders human? Are Buddhists human? Is a Frenchman human? Is Eric incapacitated in the nursing home human? Was Carol L human? Nixon?

The thing is, "human" turns into the object of attitudes and legal definitions; the Canine Companion may be defined as more human than an accused pedophile.

Unless "thy brother as thyself" applies - we know if we are attuned where our brother is. Man Law will never get it right.


"National Geographic Nudity" escaped the censors because (so it seems):
Clothes are what separate people from animals.
Unclothed humans are creatures of the wild to be studied like alligators or monkeys.
With a mind so prone to dehumanize "OTHER", (whatever that otherness is), we can do unspeakable things to our fellow, forgetting that they too bear the image of God.
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Re: Roe v Wade or Christian

Postby jochanaan » Sun Jan 24, 2016 11:43 am

Ramblinman wrote:
Petros wrote:Are Andaman Islanders human? Are Buddhists human? Is a Frenchman human? Is Eric incapacitated in the nursing home human? Was Carol L human? Nixon?

The thing is, "human" turns into the object of attitudes and legal definitions; the Canine Companion may be defined as more human than an accused pedophile.

Unless "thy brother as thyself" applies - we know if we are attuned where our brother is. Man Law will never get it right.


"National Geographic Nudity" escaped the censors because (so it seems):
Clothes are what separate people from animals.
Unclothed humans are creatures of the wild to be studied like alligators or monkeys.
With a mind so prone to dehumanize "OTHER", (whatever that otherness is), we can do unspeakable things to our fellow, forgetting that they too bear the image of God.
And yet, National Geographic is exactly where many of us first met the concept of simple, non-erotic nudity, not explicitly stated but implicitly present. I for one had no sense that the near-nude natives pictured therein were "not human" or in any way less than I was; they were just not bound by the same traditions as I. But I was not raised racist. 8)
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Re: Roe v Wade or Christian

Postby Petros » Sun Jan 24, 2016 1:03 pm

The National Geographic was a great source or you are not alone reassurance with a tinge of wistful envy.

I can't say that the text - I have photocopies on disk, I should refresh memories - treated "naked savages" with a different tone from that used with Lapps, Finns, Sikhs, Louisianans, Manxmen - it seems in my memory to have been pretty detached descriptive.
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Re: Roe v Wade or Christian

Postby Ramblinman » Mon Jan 25, 2016 12:10 am

I do not fault the magazine for publishing the photos, nor do I fault the censors for accepting the photos.
Now that I think about it, nude photos of white American boys at swim meets were published with no implied sexual content.
This may not have gone over as well in the South as it did in the midwest or New England.
I did grow up with gang showers. I wasn't totally at ease with it in public school (bullies there), but among my fellow scouts or at church camp, I was comfortable without clothes.
We were friends, I had nothing to hide.

But to some extent, yes there was a double standard in publishing nudity of people overseas but not American nudity.
In fact depending on context, nudity is more taboo than in my father's generation.
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Re: Roe v Wade or Christian

Postby MoNatureMan » Mon Jan 25, 2016 5:42 pm

Moving a bit back onto subject, but not too far.
If I remember history and research, Hitler and Nazi Germany killed and did medical experiments on physically and mentally disabled people, claiming they were not (or no longer) human. Not being classified as human allowed the Nazi to do anything they wanted. Of course the Nazi's were 'seeking a super human' race and anything less, was considered lesser human.
As for Hitler and company killing the Jews, I don't remember in studies that they (the Jews) were considered non-human. But were hated and killed because of alliance with Russian socialists, and for what they supposedly did to the German economy. For reference the Jews generally were left wing socialist (Russian version), and Hitler's Nazi party was a right wing socialist.

Did anybody notice the day the great snow storm hit Wash DC? January 22, anniversary of Roe v Wade. Coincidence, maybe, maybe not.

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Re: Roe v Wade or Christian

Postby Petros » Tue Jan 26, 2016 1:52 am

Weather on the day over the past half century?
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Re: Roe v Wade or Christian

Postby MoNatureMan » Tue Jan 26, 2016 2:32 pm

Up or down or maybe snow or maybe ice or maybe?
That is the reason weather sounds like whether. :lol:
By historical standards, in no way the biggest, but our great media made it sound like the storm of the century.
I just thought it was an interesting date for the 'Big Storm'.

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Re: Roe v Wade or Christian

Postby natman » Fri Feb 12, 2016 9:01 am

Ramblinman wrote:I've had too much college biology to pretend that an organism with our DNA is not human.
Did you ever watch the movie, "Horton Hears a Who"?
From that deceptively childish simple story I quote the words of Theodor Seuss Geisel:
"Don't give up! I believe in you all.
A person's a person, no matter how small!
And you very small persons will not have to die
If you make yourselves heard! So come on, now, and TRY!"

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