What growing in consideration of real issues will mean

[baresoul]

I am thinking my interests really are about ethics, though I haven't specifically spoken of it. But how we have consideration of the rest of life in the world, the world's condition, and how to really continue without doing things to it all here that will make that impossible, all involve ethics. And the issues do need discussion. If we are Christian believers, spiritual fruit showing what was modeled for us, including love, mercy, forgiveness, compassion, and grace, should grow among us, without us resisting with limiting those still. So then we should care more, not less, about the other creatures, our world, and how to go on living here without contribution to any worsening that will make it impossible for continuing here, that will mean we should change how we live here so far. And healthier ways we could live with what we choose for having are involved with that.

[Jim]

Yes.

One technique that helps is to try to spend little money, and what you do spend, spend with these concerns in mind.

[baresoul]

The issues are so serious, but denial is sweeping them away. For now.

https://futurism.com/the-byte/predicts- ... his-decade

https://eand.co/this-is-how-our-civiliz ... fe3f13fe3a

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3hx-G1uhR ... e=youtu.be

"So here was the truest tragedy of all.

None of it needed to happen. The Coronavirus Depression of the 20s. The Climate Depression of the 30s. The Great Annihilation of the 40s. And, by the 50s, The Goodbye — the end of what had once been a thriving, bustling, prosperous global civilization.

All we ever needed to do was invest."

[Petros]

Great Caesar's bust is on the shelf....

Whatever the puffed frog may believe, the ox goes on grazing unaware. And if the frog has a Creator, a Saviour?

To quote Pogo - it ain't nohow permanent.

None of it, not in the universe.

[baresoul]

I may wonder what hope has the atheist. No matter what is considered, it has an end to which it is doomed. There is no good answer to that. But there is godliness to discuss with believers. And there is responsibility in God's creation to discuss with them. So it is right to discuss ways for anything to not be worsening, including where we are in God's creation, especially where we have anything to do with that. We can make choices for betterment, there are sustainable ways to live that will not have the world worsen, as is happening now such that it cannot remain liveable for our kind, with future generations we might otherwise have, and with so many species going extinct even right now, with it continuing at a rapid rate. Right now great amounts of rainforests are being destroyed, and we are not only losing an important source of oxygen for us to keep breathing. As this happens for more land for animal agriculture, how are any of us making choices for not contributing to the demand for that?

So it is truly right for there to be discussion of ways a group can live in sustainable ways, with subsistence living growing all things in the same locality for that being really good for that.

[baresoul]

We should see the value of simplicity in living for sustainable ways which are needed. Very critical times will certainly come soon, we should find the right way for us to live in this world, for betterment, with sustainable ways to live not contributing to the world worsening, as is happening now such that it would not remain liveable here. A group going together for that apart from where they depend on civilization would be reality if it were joined with support of those with the vision. Certainly if there is something demonstrably healthy and can be shown to be a good approach to sustainability in living, without dependence on civilization without depending on it, it should have serious consideration. We can avoid using animals all that we can manage, that would be in the right direction for needed sustainability in this world the way it is now. We should see the value of simplicity in living for sustainable ways which are needed apart from where there is dependence on civilization.

It is better, for using less resources, not affecting the environments so much, contributing to climate change, having more food available and needed nutrition for efficiently, less left hungry, and better for health, not using animals for what we have from them. There isn't justice in using them still. It just is the way it is, a good choice for how to live.

The natural world God made which was for including us here is being destroyed, right now, whether we look at it or not. If we do look we will see we cannot go on in the same way without contributing to losing it all. This is contrary to God's will (Revelation 11:18). So we should see the call out from this.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h3c_D0s391Q&feature=share