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MoNatureMan wrote:Should we and the church continually harp on sin, maybe not. But to not call sin, sin is.
bn2bnude wrote:MoNatureMan wrote:Should we and the church continually harp on sin, maybe not. But to not call sin, sin is.
Ok, let's call sin "Sin".
In this strip so far I've see gossip.... Where?
There was a discussion of a well known pastor... It seems, unless you know personally -- first hand -- what was said, it is gossip.
Then there was the "seeker-sensitive" church comment. Again, gossip. And, in Paul's writings, Gossip is right up there with murder and sexual immorality.
Until we as a church get our own sin under control, calling out sins of others is useless.
Now, if we want to be like Jesus, calling out sin, it's the Pharisees that are the main targets, not the whores and tax collectors... Jesus went to dinner with them.
jochanaan wrote:bn2bnude wrote:MoNatureMan wrote:Should we and the church continually harp on sin, maybe not. But to not call sin, sin is.
Ok, let's call sin "Sin".
In this strip so far I've see gossip.... Where?
There was a discussion of a well known pastor... It seems, unless you know personally -- first hand -- what was said, it is gossip.
Then there was the "seeker-sensitive" church comment. Again, gossip. And, in Paul's writings, Gossip is right up there with murder and sexual immorality.
Until we as a church get our own sin under control, calling out sins of others is useless.
Now, if we want to be like Jesus, calling out sin, it's the Pharisees that are the main targets, not the whores and tax collectors... Jesus went to dinner with them.
Thank you for saying what needs to be said, bn2bnude.
nakedpreacher wrote:Bonhoeffer said "If we desire to eradicate sin, we should search for it where we are sure to find it, In ourselves.
I find this statement puzzling and at odds with the definition of the English word "gossip"bn2bnude wrote:..... In this strip so far I've see gossip.... Where?
There was a discussion of a well known pastor... It seems, unless you know personally -- first hand -- what was said, it is gossip.
idle talk or rumor, especially about the personal or private affairs of others:
And I presume you are referring to:bn2bnude wrote: Then there was the "seeker-sensitive" church comment. Again, gossip.
... I see the 'Seeker Friendly Movement' in the church today as a cover up of sin.
If a 'sinner' walks in the door and all he is presented with is God's love, what does he have to repent of, and if there is no sin why does he even need Jesus.
8 and, before all things, to one another having the earnest love, because the love shall cover a multitude of sins;
13 For from the least of them even unto the greatest of them every one is given to covetousness; and from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely.
14 They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.
15 Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time that I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.
Bare_Truth wrote:I find this statement puzzling and at odds with the definition of the English word "gossip"bn2bnude wrote:..... In this strip so far I've see gossip.... Where?
There was a discussion of a well known pastor... It seems, unless you know personally -- first hand -- what was said, it is gossip.
From: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/gossip?s=t
The primary definition of "Gossip" as an activity is:idle talk or rumor, especially about the personal or private affairs of others:
The Hebrew word translated “gossip” in the Old Testament is defined as “one who reveals secrets, one who goes about as a talebearer or scandal-monger.” A gossiper is a person who has privileged information about people and proceeds to reveal that information to those who have no business knowing it. Gossip is distinguished from sharing information in two ways:
1. Intent. Gossipers often have the goal of building themselves up by making others look bad and exalting themselves as some kind of repositories of knowledge.
2. The type of information shared. Gossipers speak of the faults and failings of others, or reveal potentially embarrassing or shameful details regarding the lives of others without their knowledge or approval. Even if they mean no harm, it is still gossip.
Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/gossip-Bible.html#ixzz3O1AEJSCb
Gossip is a way of talking about someone(s) behind his or her back that creates a negative image of the one(s) being talked about. The Bible very clearly points out the danger and damage involved with engaging in gossip in any way (see Proverbs 20:19 for example). The Bible speaks strongly against gossip for many reasons. For one, it breaks trust between people. "A dishonest man spreads strife, and a whisperer separates close friends" (Proverbs 16:28). Gossip is not a characteristic of God. Simply put, nothing good comes from it (Proverbs 13:3).
Gossip does not just mean doing the talking. It may be easier for some to withhold from gossiping about others in many situations, but it can be very hard to overcome the temptation to listen to someone else dishing up the latest juicy details about so-and-so. Listening to it is just as much a part of gossip as speaking it (Proverbs 17:4).
It's fairly easy to identify gossip when the content is harsh and clearly intended to harm the image of the one being spoken of. Colossians 3:8 and James 4:11 command us not to slander another. Other types of gossip can be easier to misidentify as such. Subtle innuendos can mislead someone's thoughts about a person unfairly (Proverbs 26:20). Leading off with something like, "I'm not sure if this is true or not, but apparently…" before sharing some interesting "news" with others can make it seem innocent enough. Will it hurt the person being talked about? Maybe… but maybe not! James 4:17 leaves no room for grey: "So whoever knows the right thing to do and fails to do it, for him it is sin."
If you're unsure if saying something would be gossip or not, it's best to err on the side of caution. We can't "unsay" something we've already said. James 3:5 tells us what a powerful tool our words are. Gossip can be so easy to fall into, but as Christians, it should be something we strive to keep out of our lives and interactions with others, for their and our own benefit. Ephesians 4:29 puts it best: "Let no corrupting talk come out of your mouths, but only such as is good for building up, as fits the occasion, that it may give grace to those who hear."
Read more: http://www.compellingtruth.org/Bible-gossip.html#ixzz3O190kwmi
You must let no unwholesome word come out of your mouth, but only what is beneficial for the building up of the one in need, that it may give grace to those who hear.
...... Gossipers speak of the faults and failings of others, or reveal potentially embarrassing or shameful details regarding the lives of others without their knowledge or approval. .....
Gossip is a way of talking about someone(s) behind his or her back that creates a negative image of the one(s) being talked about. .......
Gossip is not a characteristic of God.
Matthew in the 16th chapter wrote: 1 The Pharisees also with the Sadducees came, and tempting desired him that he would shew them a sign from heaven.
2 He answered and said unto them, When it is evening, ye say, It will be fair weather: for the sky is red.
3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?
4 A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.
5 And when his disciples were come to the other side, they had forgotten to take bread.
6 ¶Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
7 And they reasoned among themselves, saying, It is because we have taken no bread.
8 Which when Jesus perceived, he said unto them, O ye of little faith, why reason ye among yourselves, because ye have brought no bread?
9 Do ye not yet understand, neither remember the five loaves of the five thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?
10 Neither the seven loaves of the four thousand, and how many baskets ye took up?
11 How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees?
12 Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.
Petros wrote:See the primary message of Sayers' Gaudy Night, just re-re-finished.
But the higher path still is to find a way to comfort with the truth! However that is not easy and with some their resistance makes it almost impossible.Soapbox Preacher wrote:..... Better to offend with the truth than to comfort with a lie.
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